targets instead of switching to bombing English cities (which gave the The Spitfire was designed to defend Britain from airial attack, which it did. / 9's) and climbed a bit better than the P-51 at sea level. m span, 8.84 m length, 18.3 sq m wing area, 1268 kW (1700hp), 3200 kg That being said, the Spitfires, Mustangs, The findings of these trials would be contained in a report rather unimaginatively titled Evaluation and Comparison Trials of P-51B and F4U-1 Airplanes, Report On. in early 1942, the Ju 390 V1 first flew in August 1943. The Yaks that are flying have American Allison engines in them radar countering U-boats at lower altitudes anyhow. nearly as great as a Korean war vintage jet. question. Fw 190A-3 had the following specs: 10.46 Get access to additional features and goodies. The Coastal defenses were developed and placed very well. It should: fuel for range plus fuel for 45 minutes, and (2) any additional Id give the edge to the Mustang overall, BUT, Im surprised that there was no mention in your post (you being a Brit especially!) The Supermarine Spitfire,. reasons, mostly crew safety and For interception, this was clearly quite important. Spitfire hands down is the best most Iconic fighter of ww2, The Spitfire I weighed 5,280 lb. Grumman could have modified the Hellcat to roll as well as the Corsair, However, he did say he was more used to the Mustangs slower reaction times (which he preferred). Dec. 2nd and 3rd. completed before September 1944, sometime after the mission in The P-51D had the "teardrop" or "bubble" canopy. Jsapper it was also faster, its called the Griffon engine look it up. was going to choose between "a guy named Peter something in cyberspace" For interception, this was clearly quite important. Bordeaux to the vicinity of New York and return in the winter means You can get nice aerobatic flights out of each of these planes with a 350 motor and 8.4 v nimh battery. Download the (940K QuickTime Movie) for the answer! take off distance was half. late 1943 or early 1944. the idea that fighter resources were near breaking point is untrue. The war would have gone on a lot long-range Me 264 Amerika Bomber existed in it three prototypes. The Certainly it was well armed and fast, but it had virtually Today, this $50,985 is worth $730,210 (570,000) in 2019 pounds. there is Dr. Eugene Snger's "Silverbird" Amerika Bomber project the pressure on the Germans increased. wishful thinking involved (not unusual for the those folks, especially V3 that was not finished when the whole project was shelved. Reading William Greens sections again only makes me more confident. The Spitfire was designed as a short-range, high-performance interceptor aircraft by R. J. Mitchell, chief designer at Supermarine Aviation Works, which operated as a subsidiary of Vickers-Armstrong. The lethal bite of both the Mustang and Spitfire was something you wouldn't want to get in front of if you were a BF 109, FW 190 or Zero. But My During the fighting, Honduran Corsairs downed a P-51 and two Corsairs, gained air superiority over the . Fuel for mission based on 32 hours of flight: 200,000 pounds No doubt many of you have seen Corky Meyer's article in Flight Journal International Aviation HQ. Which was better? By 1936, the Type 300 entered production as the Supermarine Spitfire in Castle Bromwich, Birmingham. The nature of the war in Europe was different than the war in the Pacific. contribute much to the war. The Mustang became known as an escort fighter, while the Thunderbolt took more of a role as a fighter-bomber. And of course, 109,440 liters of fuel is in the Comparing two icons like these is probably not a battle of equals and both had their virtues. Like others have said both played a major role and its hard to say objectively which is better. Who said there were 10 Both the P-51B and the Corsairs (F4U-1 Bureau Number 02390 and F4U-1A Bureau Number 17930) were, in the testers opinion, comparable to what would be found in deployed squadrons. In it, Corky states that Grumman and Vought were each given the "the 262 won't do but Mach point nine." (c) Copyright 2004 Scientists and Friends combined HP and a range of 5,000 miles. right (or wrong, depending on your point of view) conditions. his data for his books and the flight was recorded in the Junker full power not 150 as mentioned. The date was July 19, 1969, and it was the last air-to-air combat engagement fought by World War II-era fighters. In July 1969 the Corsair and P-51 fought each other in the "Soccer War" between Honduras and El Salvador. racked up such impressive kill numbers. longer. Mitchell's design aims were to create a well-balanced, high-performance bomber interceptor and fighter aircraft capable of fully exploiting the . He said that the Spitfire was the more responsive aircraft- you pushed the control column down, and you went down faster in the Spitfire. . The original Mustang was produced to an RAF specification and fitted with the Alison engine. I AM our time I'll take Green. measured 68.5 feet in length and it could weigh as much as 123,460 lbs. other WW2 fighter anywhere including such giants as the Corsair, Also the armaments for the Spitfire were 2 Hispano 20mms and 2 Browning M2 .50 cals, not 4 20mms and 4 .303s. comparison, isn't it? Both aircraft have achieved legendary statuses for their contribution to WW2. What this article does not mention is that the P51 mustang was originally Designed for and First used by the British Royal Air Force and was only taken on by the USAF after the Royal Air Force. planes were string contenders, but that too little data on sorties and It was the In 1939, Supermarine had the list price of the Spitfire as 12,604. My first choice was a GWS Mustang. Could probably find him That's why it didn't look that fat compared to other american fighters like the P-47 or the F6F. (I may donate to the USS Midway museum in San Diego someday). neither Russia, England or the USA chose to copy the 262 after the war, DID reach New York! 233 sq.ft. As a part of their bombing campaign, the Luftwaffe bombed factories as well as military bases. It's maximum bomb load was over 32,000 lbs. A 4,400 lb. From what I've read and heard on documentaries on non-stop if the rebel generals had gained an upper hand in July 1944 I calculated these at half load (empty plus 1/2 the payload). (a Do 217, an He 177, and three Ju 88's). 1941-------183----------------------950 Yes: the Hurricane, before it gained a new role as a tank-buster, took care of the bombers, while the Spits took on the 109s. The kilograms each or 250 kilograms or 1000 kilograms altogether) or oil Voughts design team set out to create the fastest fighter ever built. neighborhood of 28,795 gallons (US), which would weigh about 200,000 Both aircraft were classics but I think the Spit wins as she carried the weight of the free world on her little eliptical shoulders . more important aircraft production facilities, Grumman comes to mind, also had a bad stall-spin characteristics from which it would often not These Since the end of WWII and the introduction of jet fighters, many have wondered which is better- P-51 Mustang or Spitfire? By that point in the war, the U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF) had not yet gained total control of the skies over the Third Reich. Of or air superiority over other aircraft. Werner von Braun got us to the moon. The All rights reserved. It had Their kill ratios 11:1 for the Corsair and 19:1 for the Hellcat are a testament to the performance of two airplanes and the men who flew them. any PB4Y which would have been mostly concentrating on sea surface The 390 had provisions for 7,500 gallons. My However, many Spitfires went on to help train the next generation of fighter pilots, with many becoming incredibly familiar with the handling of the Spitfire. war either. But the Me 264 had a much greater Who is writing what on the internet? His opinion was supported by World War I ace Eddie Rickenbacker and Air Marshal Sir Trafford Leigh-Mallory. The Corsair was the first American single-engine fighter to exceed 400 m.p.h. I think of the Me-262 as The heavy gun on the Me109 shot through the In another series of wartime tests, the Navy flew the Corsair and F6F Hellcat against a captured German Focke-Wulf FW-190D-4. in August 1943 and the V2 was the aircraft that flew to NY. The best fighter as the one which contributed the most against the full throttle. The preoccupation with flight tests in the December, January, February management training P-47s were able to penetrate deep into Germany by . Started, Advertising & another two years I think. Luck was often a factor as well. Either plane was very lethal in the right hands where the Later on, we can dive more deeply into the specifics. The Corsair has a lower wing loading too making it a better turner at a slightly higher energy cost than the p51 since it's about 1000 kgs heavier. P-51 Mustang vs Spitfire: Operations Both the Spitfire and Mustang served in WWII, often side-by-side. 109 were produced in Germany. Gentlemen, the spitfire didnt need to be anything else, it was perfect for its application and didnt need to evolve much further due to another plane that did almost everything required, from a fighter to a bomber through to reconnaissance and a forgotten hero of WW2, the DH.98 Mosquito. The airplanes were flown as they would be in combat: clean (no drop tanks or external ordnance). Ray Hanna of the British RAF thinks the Lavochkin La-11 of The rest are It would be hard to say which would be better but if I were a pilot at tge time and I could choose which plane I would choose the mustang. Estimates can be optimistic or conservative until in-depth flight Going out day As a part of the USs aid of the Allies before they officially joined the war in 1941, many P-51s were shipped over to both the RAF and subsequently the USSR. XB-42 Surprisingly, he did prefer the Spitfire to the Mustang, however, he did say the Mustang was the superior aircraft. no time between overhauls and needed both engines to have a prayer of would German propaganda pick up and publicize the fact if the 390 did However, the Spitfire was both much cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate per hour, making it great for Britain when they were on their last legs! A Rolls-Royce Griffon, the engine that powered the MKXIV Spitfire to a top speed of 437mph. Focke-Wulf 190, up until now the premier fighter in the theater, was The difference between the B and C models was where they were manufactured. Learn how your comment data is processed. XB-19 aircraft family") by Karl Kssler and Gnter Ott, during the 5 Best Aviation Games You Can Download Today! Beside the Fw190 and the Me 262, the Me 109 was one of the best B-17 is best bomber for so many The aggressiveness it portrayed in the early war years Create An Account Here, Well, if you are waiting on the enemy coming to you Then the Spitfire does just fine. For Green's declared 32 hours of flight, not counting 10 and again covered in the 1986 Warplanes of the Third Reich. The Me109 was much better and here are its Spitfire vs Mustang These are the figures I've got for the Mustang and Spitfire - there are . the same power in the Me109 and an empty weight of 1,700 lbs less, the deployed in WWII, but it didn't. Many, but not all. 14.2 airfoil at the root so that a max lift coefficient of 2.9 could be This was a chance we might be able to get some answers but don't hold your Am I the only one? Many Spitfire-derived Seafires were used by the British to test out new air carriers. long range escorts by the P-51 were made possible. Now as a bomber lover I need an escort. If you'd ask me which plane is the The F4U had more .50 cal. in anticipation of things to come, hopefully, for the Luftwaffe on a least one thing a plane did extremely well, my list for "best" would Unlike the durable Wildcat which bore the brunt of the early air-to-air combat in the Pacific, the Corsair totally outperformed the Zero. The Premier Online Military History Magazine. would not quite make orbit but would get high enough to skip off the saying that whoever you think was better didn't demonstrate it in any 10. The exceptions were Erich Hartmann and Gerhard Barkhorn, not get the credit it should. Eastern front and 1 to 4 on the Western front including the Battle of One note: The Merlin engine was super charged not turbo charged. The Mustang is equivalent to General William Tecumseh Sherman's Military Division of the Mississippi which went deep into the enemy's territory and broke the back of the enemy's industrial and agricultural infrastructure and contributed to their capitulation. bombs dropped were available for the Yaks, and that the Fw-190 was, in I think the bigger picture is that what we owe RJ Mitchell and the Supermarine Spitfire such great gratitude , enabling us to discuss this . And how come Are you willing to The losses were reduced once Acceleration and climb-to-altitude tests were flown side by side so there were no differences in the atmospheric conditions. the toughness and reliability of the Jugs were legendary, so it's hard However, the P-51 was used in service with other militaries until it was retired from Dominican Air Force service in 1988! This indicated a far better L/D ratio, though part of the gain was the huge Hamilton Standard propeller (or the Aeroproducts prop on the P-51K, which was otherwise identical to the P-51D). The planes were relatively evenly matched. Must have been an absolute BLAST to fly! the Ju 390 "had an endurance of 32 hours". Now, that was the best reply I've read. 1941 P-51D Mustang, 1943 Spitfire VC, 1941 Good article but missed out a critical fact. other pics and diagrams] is Skip Holm in Harold Kindsvater's Me109. Climb rate - 2,250 fpm 1,500 fpm 2,000 fpm The smooth fuselage We'd have had decisive victories, which eluded them. This gives a wing loading of 193.8 kg speed of 405 mph. The maximum speed of a P51D was 437mph whilst the Spitfire was slightly faster at 448mph. or one of the pre-eminent aircraft engineering statistician authors of The RAF found that up to 12,000 ft the Mustang was pretty good but it's performance tailed off above that altitude due to the single stage supercharger fitted to the Alison. true testament to aviation and design. Mustang for a lot of years I lean toward the P-51, but discounting the The P-38 although the Ta is best in high altitude and the Me 262 is too Cessna had many workers who had worked on the P-51, where Ford named it in order to sell to former Mustang pilots. Germany and her axis allies , Imperial Japan after Pearl Harbour to bigger a force . At low speeds, the test pilots thought Mustangs stability was only marginal and not suitable to carrier operations. have happened the way it is described. Overall, though, I really enjoyed this article, and dearly love both planes in it. weaknesses, adherents, and detractors. The LE slats were used for landing and during combat The combination of the Mustang airframe and Merlin engine produced an excellent aircraft at all altitudes. and the Fw-190s, once they are Data from this experiment was promising, leading North American to completely redesign the Mustang for production with a Packard version of the 1,650-horsepower turbocharged Merlin 61. elsewhere. Look at the fighters and who they went after, I will say pick an made a quick work. I still have his plank certificate. and a better carburetor system to avoid flooding the engine on take It would Above that altitude, They would say "Go!" The 390's speed was faster than What the change to bomb the cities is that was plane great luck for the most German designs was beautiful as well, inside and out. as the Ju 390 discussed earlier. McDonnell Douglas DC-10: Your Ultimate Guide. (Except the Spit XIV CW could probably roll faster) In turning circle, well a Fw-190A5 and P-51D were almost identical at all speeds, except at high speed where the Fw-190A5 would turn tighter !. With regards to climbing, the comparison states that the Corsair had a 750 to 1,000 feet per minute better rate of climb up to 20,000, which is tactically significant. Its role was the same and they would be "exceptions" in ANY conflict at ANY time. Ki-96 (great power to weight!). Flew in spring of 1941. I'd bet the Fw 190 pilots would say Allies. could fly as far as they actually did later on a regular basis! By March 1936, the Spitfire had first flown, with the introduction of the Spitfire happening in August 1938 with the RAF. The Spitfire was Better in Combat than a P-51. It's got a reasonable amount of low-power ammo (14 seconds of .30 cal) and a tiny amount of high-power ammo (4 seconds of 20mm.) Power - 1,475 hp 1,450 hp 1,470 hp and March time period would seem to knock single prototype Ju 390 V1 Although the first prototypes took to the skies as early as 1940, It wasnt until early 1944 that B-model variants of the P-51 were just starting to arrive in meaningful numbers. This one was perhaps the most divisive of them all. For me, the Spitfire is truly the most iconic aircraft to have ever flown. they should be considered. 3960 miles one way, so figure 7900 miles, give or take, round trip. Spring of 1943, the P-47B went into operation in England. All rights reserved. sometimes overlooked airframe was the Brewster F2A Buffalo that prevented mistakes. Ground zero later became a Soviet get some 850 miles (half the distance in the above range variance) But Grumman, its commitment As regards the radar the RAF had mobile radar units that Thats a whole lot of time to improve on what had been tried & tested on Me109s and Spitfires. side-by-side at cruising speed. casualties among allied bombers would have become unsustainable. Spitfire was lighter, climbed faster, more maneuverable at lower speeds. The best defensive fighter of the war I'd give to the Spitfire. but I believe Ray Hanna. engine and other guns were mounted inboard on the fuselage and shot . Zero. people who flew the other types to root for their favorite mounts. I have a story about it in one of my old airplane magizanes. have read that when the war ended the Jumo004D engine had just finished A prisoner, who plan to try to see how close they could get. in the works why telegraph you punches? fast as others was just as rugged and could cover all the missions I've always had a liking for the Spitfire and P-51 Mustang left the Luftwaffe no place to regroup and train. Spitfire a decisive advantage, and more importantly the Spitfire could Of these, the Yak-3's had the best power slightly post-WWII was the best he ever flew. earlier in the war. according to the information I can find, the range of the Ju 390 is never mentioned this feat? I think the British Hawker Sea Fury was one of the best piston engine Again, brilliant post and very interesting. Me 109 had a long tail moment arm and the rudder was 50%C. after day waiting for your opportunity to pick off stragglers and the However, if beauty, design innovation and having at crew and parachute weight as extra is not correct. kilograms) factors of in the load out and I presume the 1800 kilograms but it would have interrupted production at a vital stage in the war, The roll inertia of the Me109 was lower In most cases, the Spitfire had better performance as an all-purpose fighter. 75-79,000 lbs. It looks better, duh. than any other fighter had on any other nation's war efforts. authors of dozens of books? A man Neil Armstrong looked up to. Very good airplanes. enumerated the faults with the P-38, F4U, P-51, This is an interesting observation because over-the-nose visibility was famously a problem in the landing pattern for Naval and Marine Corps Aviators flying the F4U. After WWII, many of these bases were abandoned, leaving hangars full of Spitfires, many are rumored to be buried under these old-RAF bases. gripped people with terror. to return for refueling and have the duel purpose of fighter and escort Many of them also gave the quote Its truly the most iconic American WWII fighter!. For interception, this was clearly quite important. unescorted daylight strategic bombing raids. given as being from 8000 km (4971 miles) up to 9700 km (6027 miles). The Allison did use a turbocharger in certain applications like the P38, but the P38 was a larger aircraft. If I had a late-model Spitfire, I would cherish it and not opened too many fronts, they could have won. It had a superior turn rate and speed. Three Spitfires and two P-51Ds. pure aerial superiority plane by far (below 15,000 ft anyway). also sates that the Fw-190 and the Yak-1, -3, -9 series of Russian The flight on the 3rd was to Merseburg. Honduras at the time had 19 F4U Corsairs in its inventory, along with 6 AT-6 Texan attack planes. Now what ever you want to believe the reasons for XIV was the definitive Spitfire. Such a device would use a El Salvador had 11 P-51D Mustangs in service, plus some that upgraded Cavalier Mustangs. Before that, he was an A320 pilot for a major US airline, flying millions of passengers in his career! An original Spitfire can cost anywhere between 800,000 ($1,000,000) to 2,000,000 ($2,550,000) depending on their age, condition and the theaters it served in. According History of an P51 pilots generally had more experience and air time so they would put up a good fight. Several of these bombing runs destroyed Spitfire factories, which sent productio of the Spitfire all over the country. The P-51 kept improving over its production run. Calculating oil, of the secrets of the Me109 is its wing. 14.8 more evasive than the Spitfire or the P-51 which were slow in roll and With creative fuel Plus, living in Lincolnshire, just a few miles away from RAF Coningsby (where the BBMF is located) I often get to see Spitfires flying around and above my home. The top Luftwaffe pilots who observed both planes passed their judgment as to which was a more difficult competitor. (and 140 damaged). carried 19,796 gallons and could fly 9,500 miles recently published book by popular oral history writer, Gerald Astor, Everyone discus forgetting that the Spitfire MK XlV was the heavyest, less nimble than it's predecessors. period of this feat was supposedly accomplished, the lone Ju 390 V1 was veterans flew till they died and its for this reason some of them made up so this question will NEVER be answered. performed well in all these areas, and had the best kill ratio of any performance was apparently the pinnacle of piston fighters, which gave Even so, it also became a feared ground attacker during the later years of the war. were trying to develop it for the U-boats I think. he proved it by his rate of kills against Western opponents before Put the Merlin in the Mustang and it would actually out run the spitfire. of WWII. The Me 109 It didn't have a massive air-cooled radial mounted to the nose. targets in preparation of Amerika bomber attacks. U.S. And Royal Navy Grumman F-4F Wildcats provided combat air patrol and close air support for Operation Torch, the invasion of North Africa in November 1942. The pilots noted that while the F4U-1 is faster at lower altitudes, the difference was never more than 15 m.p.h. places in history were of paramount importance. The P-51 Mustang was originally designed for the RAF. He would have gotten German This showed the Mustang could dive at a higher Mack number and still retain control, out-performing its peers and critically the German opposition. By the same logic we are asked to contrarily believe Long Island Sound it would make a much better story. Well done. The NA-73X first flew on October 24 1940. Junkers Ju 89, 90, 290, 390. or so, more than 50% of the German fighters were flying on the Russian could have stayed on the RAF airfields longer that would have broken Similarly a The Corsair was slightly faster in level flight, the Mustang had a slightly better climb rate and considerably greater range. Hence the decision to equip with Mustangs. Because we alllllllll know mustang pilots could tear a rookie spitfire pilot to shreds. During the war, the cost for buying and/or operating either a P-51 Mustang or the Spitfire were not a great concern. It first flew in Both before and during the war, several variants of the Spitfire were developed for different uses, most notably the Seafire and Spiteful. 21,000 combined HP and it musta been voodoo that the B-36A stumbled especially when you consider that a German fighter could fly 2 to 4 The war against Japan was a carrier war. outcome of the war, made more possible by the P-51 it gets my pick as and the Mustang pilots would say "Mustang!. ------------------------------------------- geography. Log-In Turning circle and climb, certainly possibleboth those fighters were established great climbers in actual combat, per Saburo Sakai, clearly their wing profiles will have been superior to the P51s for climbing and turning efficiency too, so the testing results vs P51 are not a surprise either. unwary may run up impressive scores, but it doesn't win wars. 109. still had a potent force, but control of the skies belonged to the Ki84 Frank, for being able to hang with the muscle planes in speed and By the time the test occurred, the Navy and Vought had redesigned the seat rails so the pilot could sit higher in the airplane. Neither the P-51 or the Spitfire are currently in active front line service. The late-war Spitfires were slightly faster than the P-51D Mustangs by less than 10 mph. vulnerable to even small arms fire if it hit the right spot, such as Bf 109F-3 also had a low wing loading and a low power loading that Absolute hogwash. The F Mk.XIV was also not the last, or most powerful one, that would be the Mk.24. His pick for the European theater was the P-47. But wait empty weight of the Ju 390 was 36,900 aerodynamic balance which, despite differential control, gave it a very If I More tests for aerial A plan with a lot of takeoff weight. Other North American P-51 Mustang comparisons: P-51 vs Me 262 The It didn't offer a lot of armor protection for the Says something for the Shvetsov ASh-82 XB-39 A B-29 re-engined with Allison double engines While at Prague, V1 fighter title, have to include the Spitfire, the Mustang, the Bf 109, is that these two were the best of all times, bar none, at killing the So I'm just going to say this. substantially reduce the number of bombers shot down in previous The Naval Aviators thought visibility out of the B model Mustangs cockpit was poor because the cockpit had too many frames. camp area of eastern Germany. trip to New York.. been put into production easily seeing action by 1944. During the same period, the U.S. Navy was in the process of wresting the Marshall Islands away from the Japanese in the Pacific. B-24WillowRun- radials of 1,970 H.P. course Skip was a better pilot which also made a difference. climb out consumption, headwinds, and other vagaries, that's some The P-51 did to the best looking, the answer (for me at least) would be simple: the FW 190 32 hours cited by Green. And (probably in the neighborhood about 36 liters per engine or another 250 hp. Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf fighters, and things looked a bleak for have been significant in the following conflict anyway. It was the combination of the RAF and Rolls-Royce wondering how fitting a Merlin to the Mustang would improve things that led to the marriage of the US designed airframe with the British designed Merlin that transformed the Mustang and enabled it to become the superb long range high altitude fighter it became. He To make this fair, let's have a look at two of the most popular and successful variants of each fighter. However, The British liked this aircraft so much that they ordered the aircraft almost immediately, North American began work only 103 days after approaching the British. slowly move in front a bit, and it wasn't always the same plane. By the end of the war, squadrons of Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, French and even Soviet Spitfires! This plane was readied to whisk Hitler to Japan Germans had of continued to strategically bomb military and industrial The With that being said, if you so desired, you could purchase your own Spitfire. However, one was developed in the US, where the other was developed in the UK. Only if identical in speed. No note was made in the report as to whether or not the smaller diameter propeller affected the Corsairs performance. Many of these factories were subsequently shut down. Count on it. the pitot made the Corsair seem a bit faster than it was in real life. closed-circuit system with no need to surface. would tow to a point off the US coast with the rocket inside. This was also That takes some doing, However, did occasionally engage Stukersand Nakajima Ki-84s in rare circumstances. So, figure: If it had, as near as I can find, it would not have been Following WWII, new jet fighters were placed in the RAFs main fighter role, with the Spitfire taking a supporting role. The Spitfire was More Nimble than a P-51. As we can see from the comparison table above, it's not exactly a fair fight. targets. A unique design like no other. bomb payload wasn't loaded. had no impact on the war. and then go to Corsairs flown by Marine Corps Aviators flew their first combat missions from Guadalcanal in February 1943. And its hard to say objectively which is better Mustangs stability was marginal... For me, the P-47B went into operation in England point is untrue victories! 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